An Interview with Dr. Leonard Jason on the new Prevalence Estimates and the
Empirical Definition for CFS by Cort Johnson (August 2007)
Dr. Jason has had a profound impact on how we view
CFS.
An epidemiologist,
Dr. Jason lead the Pediatric definition group, produced the first complete
economic costs estimate of ME/CFS,
was instrumental in coming up with the correct prevalence estimates and has
highlighted the central role post-exertional and cognitive problems play in
ME/CFS.
He is a board member of the IACFS/ME and a committee member of the Chronic
Fatigue Syndrome Advisory Committee. He was a major author of the
International Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Group (ICFSG) paper that provided the
CDC with recommendations for the Empirical definition. The CDC took the
recommendations and then used an in-house team to create the new definition.
Dr. Jason was good enough to chat with us regarding the startling new
prevalence figures and the Empirical Definition for CFS and the consequences it
may have for CFS research.
(The
Empirical Definition and the
2007 Prevalence Study are in the public domain. You can access
them by clicking on each phrase. An overview of the new definition can be
found at the
Defining CFS page. )
(1)
This definition seems more revolutionary than evolutionary; it raises
prevalence figures enormously, it no longer relies solely on symptoms, it
uses standardized testing, it discounts fatigue and pain and introduces
emotion as a potential contributor to a
CFS
diagnosis for the first time. It almost seems like we're starting over –
like this is a sort of a 'Brave New World' for
CFS.
Is this something we might look back at in 10 or 15 years and say that event
substantially changed the course of
CFS
research?
You certainly raise concerns and I have done so as well.
(2) Symptoms:
This is the first definition I am aware of that doesn't define
CFS
using symptoms. The CDC has tried and failed find a unique symptom set in
CFS
patients as opposed to chronically fatigued or unwell patients. Several
other groups that tried to do the same thing had mixed results and failed to
replicate each other. You were a major author of the recommendations paper
that proposed using indices of fatigue, disability and symptom severity to
define
CFS.
Can we say that
CFS
patients do not have a unique set of symptoms as opposed to other people
with chronic fatigue? Is the search for a symptom based definition of
CFS
over?
I disagree. The cardinal symptoms are assessed in the Canadian criteria, and
that seems like a very worthy direction for the future.
(3) The Use of an Emotional Subscale.
You've demonstrated this is the first definition in which someone reporting
emotional but not necessarily physical distress can fulfill the disability
criteria for
CFS.
Do you believe that physical distress is an inherent part of
CFS
or should the definition of
CFS
be opened to include patients whose disability arises from emotional
problems as well?
I think the issue is that if one only has emotional distress, it would
signal that a person could meet the disability criteria. That is the
problem.
(4) Excluding Depressed Patient
Without
CFS
.
There is a world of difference between someone who has restricted his or her
activities because they know that being too active will cause them to
'crash' (CFS)
and someone who is inactive because they don't feel they have any reason to
be active; (major depression). Can tests distinguish between people with
CFS
who are depressed and people who are depressed but don't have
CFS?
Yes, they can and it can be done with high reliability as a recent paper I
published indicated. (The reference is below).
(A anonymous CFS/ME graduate student has offered a
rebuttal to this statement. In a
family portrait he/she draws he provides an fascinating look at the
intersection between infection, CFS and emotional distress. )
.
(5) Post-Exertional Malaise.
I
have always personally felt post-exertional malaise (PEM) to be the hallmark
symptom of
CFS.
Everything else; the fatigue, concentration problems, muscle pains,
dizziness, etc. are kind of nebulous compared the dramatic changes I
experience when I exercise. Some of your studies, and if I am reading them
right, some CDC studies have suggested PEM is an important symptom in
CFS
but others have not. PEM is also found in other diseases including major
depression. What role do you believe PEM plays in
CFS
and what role should it be given in a definition of
CFS?
You might want to check out the Canadian criteria, as they have it right on
this important issue. The problem with Fukuda et al. (19940 as well as the
new empirical case definition is that you can not have this symptom and
still get the
CFS
diagnosis.
(6) Fatigue in
CFS?
Fatigue is taking more a back seat in this new definition. Dr. White noted
that under this definition "
it would be possible to meet the
fatigue criterion without significant fatigue".
Simply scoring low on the activity
subscale allows one to meet the 'fatigue' criteria for
CFS.
Dr. Reeves has noted that as he's learned more about
CFS
he's found that "
Many people have more problems with pain, memory or concentration than they
do with fatigue".
Many in the
CFS
community have, in fact, railed against the emphasis given to fatigue in
CFS.
Should fatigue be given a less prominent role in defining
CFS?
Fatigue is too general, but post-ex malaise is the key piece. Some do not
experience fatigue anymore because they try to avoid doing too much. It is a
lack of endurance, stamina, or energy that can be sustained that is the key
issue.
(7)
You don't need to be that much less
active or that fatigued to meet the 'fatigue' criteria for
CFS;
you simply need to score on the median or below. But it’s hard to imagine
how a median level of fatigue or activity is severe enough to result in the
'
substantial reductions in previous
levels of occupational, etc. activities'
the Fukuda definition called for let alone it's concept of -'
severe mental and
physical exhaustion'.
Doesn't this throw what's been considered a basic aspect of
CFS
out the window?
I agree with your assessment.
(8) A Step Forward or a Step Back?
The big concern for
CFS
patients is that if there is a unique disorder called
CFS
and you add all these other diseases in the mix then the search for a
biomarker just gets that much harder. One could argue that by allowing a
subset of non-CFS
patients into
CFS
research studies that the Fukuda definition set back
CFS
research and its search for legitimacy by years. Do you believe there's a
big danger in this new definition?
Yes, and I have stated this.
(9)
If these diseases (CFS,
PTSD, MDD,
FMS,
IBS) have different physiological origins - and based on the evidence thus
far one must assume that, at least in part, that they do – and you throw
them all into one pot then you run the risk of simply left with symptoms and
complaints – for which you can't show a cause plus increased rates of mood
disorder. This seems like a situation which could over time lead to
CFS
increasingly being cast as some sort of mood disorder. Do you see this as a
possibility with this new definition?
Mood disorders are one of the more common psychiatric set of disorders. Yes,
I am most concerned about this, as I have previously stated.
(10) An
Opportunity?
Dr. Reeves stated that the most important part of the definition is not the
specific criteria but the fact that there are, for the first time,
measurable criteria. If researchers do use the SF-36,
MFI
and Symptom Severity tests won't they be able to tell if distinct subgroups
are showing up? Shouldn't we be able to tell, for example, if a depressed
group without post-exertional fatigue shows up? Could the better
characterizations implicit in the new definition help us find the subsets
researchers have been speculating about for years and perhaps even
contribute to the breakup of the
CFS
label?
With criteria this broad, you might be diagnosing people with chronic
unwellness, and then you will have to try to differentiate these groups into
other subgroups.
(11)
Excluding Mood Disorders?
They ICFSG produced
a long list of exclusionary factors designed to prevent people who have
other diseases from participating in
CFS
research studies. Among them were a rather long list of psychiatric
diagnoses including a diagnosis of major depressive disorder (with
melancholia/psychosis) within the past five years. Won't these exclusionary
factors protect
CFS
research studies from being swamped with people with mood disorders?
Check
closely the new CDC papers. They do not use this criteria.
(The CDC has used the same general group
of patients (‘Surveillance Study Group’) for most of its studies of the past
five years. This group included patients with major melancholic
depression (MMD)
– a disease that both the Fukuda and Empirical Definition exclude
from participating in research studies.
Some of these studies have included the
MMD
subset and others have not. The Pharmacogenomic’s studies all appear to have
included them. Studies on symptoms, child abuse, the glucocorticoid receptor
polymorphisms, sleep and the Empirical definition and Prevalence studies
excluded them. The Prevalence study used a different group of patients and
excluded
MMD
patients.
Only the most severe form of depression –
melancholic depression – is exclusionary for
CFS.
‘Regular’ depression, anxiety disorder and somatoform disorders are not).
(12) Another Smoke-filled Room.
It seemed ironic that not long after Dr. Reeves characterized the Fukuda
definition as being produced by a group of people in a smoke filled room
that the new definition was produced in much the same way. The CDC convened
a representative and varied group of
CFS
professionals to work on the broad recommendations for the new definition
but then turned over the actual creation to a small group of CDC researchers
who have, thus far, hardly been forthcoming regarding their decision making
process. The CDC brought you together to provide recommendations –did they
explain why they didn't do that during the critical definition building
process?
We have not been informed of this. But you have asked the key question.
(12) A Surprising Outcome.
Your studies help build the
foundation for a new definition. They suggested that simple definitions like
the Fukuda (International) definition can allow people with emotional
disorders (but not
CFS)
entry into
CFS
research studies. They've also indicated that using measures of symptom
severity (rather than simply occurrence) and tests like the SF-36 make it
less likely that this type of misdiagnosis will occur. Both of these tests
are found in the new definition but you, ironically, are more concerned than
ever about people without
CFS
getting into
CFS
research studies. This can't be what you envisioned when you signed off on
the ICFSSG recommendations? Were you surprised at the direction the
definition finally took?
Yes I was very surprised.
(13)The IACFS.
If this really has the potential to be a kind of paradigm changing event
isn't this something that our professional organization – the IACFS – should
weigh in on? They published your letter but shouldn't they take a formal
stance towards an issue of this significance?
I have tried to raise the issue, but am just one board member. As you know,
the board has allowed me to post my views on the IACFS/ME website.
(14) A Done Deal?
There's a great deal of worry about the new definition but given the CDC's
dominance with regard to
CFS
definitions are we, for better or for worse, already living in world defined
by it? Is it inevitable that this new definition will become the gold
standard for the research community?
I hope not.
__________________________________
(Hawk,
C., Jason,
L.A.,
& Torres-Harding, S. (2006). Differential diagnosis of chronic fatigue
syndrome and major depressive disorder.
International Journal of
Behavioral Medicine, 13, 244-251.)